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META- Bongard Problems

Beyond normal Bongard Problems (BP), Harry Foundalis and Joseph Insana discovered entire classes of Meta- Bongard Problems (MBP).
I.e. nested problems out of the normal domain, whose solution implies a property of groups of BPs.
Every box/picture in a MBP contains an independent BP. Some property of all the BPs in the left class distinguishes them from those in the right class. This property has to be found.
The human or computer solver has to jump one level up to solve this kind of problem, since the pictures inside the classes are BPs themselves.

The solution of a MBP is not about a property of the visual image, but about a property of the solution of each individual box/BP.

The first MBP created was Harry's FP #44.

Its solution:

Nearly every BP could be transformed in a MBP in the form:

The resulting MBP would be one with solution: BPs where size matters | BPs where size doesn't matter

But it's more interesting to think to entire classes of MBPs (examples of MBPs for each class will be added as soon as they are created).
The following first 2 classes would group all those kind of derived MBPs:

  1. "BP +property | BP -property" (presence vs absence of a property)
    e.g. the one "size matters" just described or the above mentioned FP #44
  2. "BP +property1 | BP +property2" (property1 vs property2)
    e.g. "size vs wiggliness")
  3. "BP | no BP" (real BP vs fake one)
    i.e. pictures distinguishable in two classes | pictures cannot be separated (it's not a Bongard Problem)
  4. "noisy BP | not noisy BP"
    just consider the difference between BP #36 and BP #37, to immediately grasp the concept of "noisy" problem (and there are problems that are REALLY noisy, much more than BP #37; filtering the noise to keep the signal (the information needed to reach the solution) would produce not noisy BPs to be placed in this kind of MBP).
  5. "deceiving BP | not deceiving BP"
    we talk of deception when an apparent solution is offered but negated by just one box so if that particular is missed, the fake solution is given instead.
    E.g.: FP #05 (Box 2d [i.e. the one in position center-right in the right (2nd) class] is the only one that negates the apparent solution "parallel lines | not parallel lines") or IP #23 (in which the number of the modifications to the big black figure is not relevant to the solution)
  6. "correct BP | incorrect BP"
    Correctness means obeying to the rules concerning BP creation, described in Foundalis' pages. For example using only geometrical features, avoiding reference to the human culture. Another incorrect BP would be one that relies on the relative position (order) of the boxes.
  7. "short description of solution | long description of solution" (the length of the description of the solution of each BP is the key to this kind of MBPs)
    i.e. the boxes on the left would hold BPs whose solution can be phrased with few words, as opposed to those on the right, whose BPs would present longer phrased solutions
    e.g. BP #02 has a very short possible phrasing for its solution: "big objects | small objects", while FP #93 requires at least: "the circle that can be considered the shared intersection of two threads of circles is white" | "that same circle is black"
  8. "non-ambiguous BP | ambiguous BP" (1 unique solution vs 2 possible solutions)
    e.g. an alternative solution to FP #01 could be "higher total number of white pixels| higher total number of black pixels". This is hence a problem with two possible solutions.
  9. "positional BP | not positional BP" (whether the absolute location of the images within the box matters)
    Think to BP #08 or HP #09, where the absolute position within the box is required for the solution


Suggestions for more classes of MBPs are welcome. Send email.
META-META- (META^2)?

A meta-meta-problem's solution should be about a property of the solution to each individual MBP. (Hence a property of the property of the solution of each BP; i.e. a property of the property of the property of the visual images that constitute the BPs....)

This implies that in each box of this MMBP there should be a whole MBP, such as FP #44 (complete with its 12 sub-boxes, each of which is a BP).

Then it's just a matter of deciding how to group the MBP classes proposed above in two categories.

E.g. on the left we can have MBPs of class I and on the right MBPs of class VII.

Achieving this with just 100x100 pixels is a bit problematic though....


Another kind, maybe just META^(1.5) instead than META^2 is the following: I.e. both the inner BP and the outer form are important, a cross-link between the plain BP and the MBP.
This is the reason why we prefer to think to this as a META^(1.5) BP.

Joseph A.L. Insana

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